Consideration of setting criteria for external record accrediation
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Started by Roger Davies
Should we be considering setting boundaries and criteria for external records to the IUF. For example "longest unicycle chain", "most stairs climbed on unicycle" "skipping on a unicycle" etc. These are generally accredited by Guinness and we all know they are often done very poorly due to their poor understanding of unicycling.
My understanding of Guinness and the World Record Association is that they are both looking for accrediting bodies. Are going to be working towards gaining their accreditation status and hence gaining some sanity to their records?
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By skipping, do you mean rope skipping? This one is actually in the WRG, section 7.2.1.
This is in the Chapter MISCELLANEOUS RECORDS, where those other examples could also fit, if we adopt them.
I see the point of governing such records if it gives them more credibility than if they are governed by Guinness only.
But where to draw the boundary indeed? I would not like the idea that Guinness determine which records we as IUF take on board.
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Yes, I was thinking that rope skipping when I said skipping.
From what I understand with accrediting body status, we get to stipulate what is and what will not be accepted as a record. I also think it may help give more kudos to our records as both organisations would look to us.
Skipping is a good example: there are 3 male records out there and all different. IUF = 220, Guinness = 237, WRA = 207
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There are a lot of crazy (or a bit less crazy) unicycle records out there. See for examples https://sites.google.com/site/unicycleguru/world-records. Most of these have little or no relevance to the sport of unicycling. I tend to think that the IUF should stay away of this.
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From several discussions including #19 "New IUF World Record Categories", it seems that we want to restrict the IUF to governing only World Records in the realms of track racing and track non-racing (such as slow races), road racing, time trials (fixed distance and fixed time), and high & long jumps.
This means that we don't want to set criteria for other records, and would leave this to whichever body (such as Guinness) that wants to maintain them.
Are you OK with that Roger?
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From the lack of responses in this discussion, and the comments in discussion #19, I conclude that there is not enough support to go in this direction.
If Roger (or anyone else) thinks otherwise, I leave it to them to create a proposal so that we can vote about it.
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I'd like to restart this topic.
Recently Ken made a 24h (and 12h) record attempt. He contacted the IUF committee and the GWR committee.
From what I understand, the fact that Ken had a custom frame made for him did not please GWR and he had to change his plan by taking a "mass-produced" frame.
I had already heard that GWR might have record validation conditions that were not in line with those of the IUF.
This mainly concerns timed records.
I thought it wasn't possible to set a GWR with a Schlumpf hub (but maybe that's changed?), that records had to be set on an athletics track? I wonder what's going on.
I recently had contact with Roger, who told me that he was in touch with the Managing Director of GWR about homogenizing the conditions for validating IUF and Guinness records or that GWR records be validated by the IUF. I think that would be a good thing.
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I think we have to differentiate between two things in this topic:
1. World records in official IUF disciplines in which the IUF also recognizes official world records:
Here, of course, it would be very desirable if other organizations either did not recognize world records themselves at all or only under the same conditions as the IUF. In this case, I think it would be important for the IUF WRC to work with the other organizations to ensure that the IUF retains sovereignty over its competition disciplines and the associated world records.
2. World records that have nothing to do with the official IUF disciplines and world records:
Here my personal opinion is that it should be left to the other record organizations like GWR to decide what they recognize as records and under what conditions. I would not see it as the role of the IUF WRC to meddle with these records if they are not related to IUF competitive sport.
I think it is very legitimate that these records exist, but I also think it is logical that they are not “sold” as IUF records. At the same time, I think that the IUF and its committees should of course always be available to answer questions about the sport of unicycling.